Information to fellow intern about hiring?
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I am presently interning at a company as a part of my B.Tech curriculum. This is my final semester, and once this internship ends that is the end of my B.Tech degree.
One of my B Tech colleagues also works here, and HR has informed me that while I will be hired once the internship ends, he will not be. They have also asked me to keep this information to myself, as they don't want him to lose focus.
I believe he has the right to know, but in the past he has acted irrationally, and I suspect that he would confront HR with this information. Should I let him know - which also endangers my chances here - or should I go along with what is happening and not let him know to look for other jobs until it's too late?
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I am presently interning at a company as a part of my B.Tech curriculum. This is my final semester, and once this internship ends that is the end of my B.Tech degree.
One of my B Tech colleagues also works here, and HR has informed me that while I will be hired once the internship ends, he will not be. They have also asked me to keep this information to myself, as they don't want him to lose focus.
I believe he has the right to know, but in the past he has acted irrationally, and I suspect that he would confront HR with this information. Should I let him know - which also endangers my chances here - or should I go along with what is happening and not let him know to look for other jobs until it's too late?
professionalism communication colleagues internship ethics
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@UKMonkey The fact that the other intern will not get hired isn't personal information, it's a decision taken by HR and I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to share it with whomever they choose.
– Echox
yesterday
@UKMonkey "HR will have it on file that they're not going to be offered a position" It won't be on any filing system that could be traced, until they have actually given the person notice. Not unless HR are incompetent, anyway - but that is a dangerous assumption to make. In the real world the effect of things like GDPR is to make more information untraceable, not less. It's HR's job to figure out how to get around legislation they don't like!
– alephzero
yesterday
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"I believe he has the right to know" - even if we were to agree that he has a right to know, it's not your job to inform him. Let HR do that.
– Joe Strazzere
yesterday
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shouldn't title be "about Firing"?
– aaaaaa
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@aaaaaa I don't see why. One person is getting hired and another is not. No one is getting fired.
– forest
yesterday
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I am presently interning at a company as a part of my B.Tech curriculum. This is my final semester, and once this internship ends that is the end of my B.Tech degree.
One of my B Tech colleagues also works here, and HR has informed me that while I will be hired once the internship ends, he will not be. They have also asked me to keep this information to myself, as they don't want him to lose focus.
I believe he has the right to know, but in the past he has acted irrationally, and I suspect that he would confront HR with this information. Should I let him know - which also endangers my chances here - or should I go along with what is happening and not let him know to look for other jobs until it's too late?
professionalism communication colleagues internship ethics
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Kat
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I am presently interning at a company as a part of my B.Tech curriculum. This is my final semester, and once this internship ends that is the end of my B.Tech degree.
One of my B Tech colleagues also works here, and HR has informed me that while I will be hired once the internship ends, he will not be. They have also asked me to keep this information to myself, as they don't want him to lose focus.
I believe he has the right to know, but in the past he has acted irrationally, and I suspect that he would confront HR with this information. Should I let him know - which also endangers my chances here - or should I go along with what is happening and not let him know to look for other jobs until it's too late?
professionalism communication colleagues internship ethics
professionalism communication colleagues internship ethics
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@UKMonkey The fact that the other intern will not get hired isn't personal information, it's a decision taken by HR and I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to share it with whomever they choose.
– Echox
yesterday
@UKMonkey "HR will have it on file that they're not going to be offered a position" It won't be on any filing system that could be traced, until they have actually given the person notice. Not unless HR are incompetent, anyway - but that is a dangerous assumption to make. In the real world the effect of things like GDPR is to make more information untraceable, not less. It's HR's job to figure out how to get around legislation they don't like!
– alephzero
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"I believe he has the right to know" - even if we were to agree that he has a right to know, it's not your job to inform him. Let HR do that.
– Joe Strazzere
yesterday
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shouldn't title be "about Firing"?
– aaaaaa
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@aaaaaa I don't see why. One person is getting hired and another is not. No one is getting fired.
– forest
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@UKMonkey The fact that the other intern will not get hired isn't personal information, it's a decision taken by HR and I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to share it with whomever they choose.
– Echox
yesterday
@UKMonkey "HR will have it on file that they're not going to be offered a position" It won't be on any filing system that could be traced, until they have actually given the person notice. Not unless HR are incompetent, anyway - but that is a dangerous assumption to make. In the real world the effect of things like GDPR is to make more information untraceable, not less. It's HR's job to figure out how to get around legislation they don't like!
– alephzero
yesterday
6
"I believe he has the right to know" - even if we were to agree that he has a right to know, it's not your job to inform him. Let HR do that.
– Joe Strazzere
yesterday
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shouldn't title be "about Firing"?
– aaaaaa
yesterday
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@aaaaaa I don't see why. One person is getting hired and another is not. No one is getting fired.
– forest
yesterday
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@UKMonkey The fact that the other intern will not get hired isn't personal information, it's a decision taken by HR and I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to share it with whomever they choose.
– Echox
yesterday
@UKMonkey The fact that the other intern will not get hired isn't personal information, it's a decision taken by HR and I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to share it with whomever they choose.
– Echox
yesterday
@UKMonkey "HR will have it on file that they're not going to be offered a position" It won't be on any filing system that could be traced, until they have actually given the person notice. Not unless HR are incompetent, anyway - but that is a dangerous assumption to make. In the real world the effect of things like GDPR is to make more information untraceable, not less. It's HR's job to figure out how to get around legislation they don't like!
– alephzero
yesterday
@UKMonkey "HR will have it on file that they're not going to be offered a position" It won't be on any filing system that could be traced, until they have actually given the person notice. Not unless HR are incompetent, anyway - but that is a dangerous assumption to make. In the real world the effect of things like GDPR is to make more information untraceable, not less. It's HR's job to figure out how to get around legislation they don't like!
– alephzero
yesterday
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"I believe he has the right to know" - even if we were to agree that he has a right to know, it's not your job to inform him. Let HR do that.
– Joe Strazzere
yesterday
"I believe he has the right to know" - even if we were to agree that he has a right to know, it's not your job to inform him. Let HR do that.
– Joe Strazzere
yesterday
1
1
shouldn't title be "about Firing"?
– aaaaaa
yesterday
shouldn't title be "about Firing"?
– aaaaaa
yesterday
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2
@aaaaaa I don't see why. One person is getting hired and another is not. No one is getting fired.
– forest
yesterday
@aaaaaa I don't see why. One person is getting hired and another is not. No one is getting fired.
– forest
yesterday
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First of all, what I believe, HR should not have disclosed this information in first place.
However, given the situation, I strongly suggest not to disclose it. As I read it, it's still a company secret (yet to be revealed officially), so not your place to reveal it.
Alongside that, it's a good chance to teach yourself how to handle the confidential information. I'd not say this is a good example for the exercise, however, make the best out of it.
That said, maybe I'm overthinking this, but given that
I believe he has the right to know but in the past he has acted irrationally with information and I suspect that if I tell him he will confront the HR with the same information.
this can be case where you are being tested on how you handle confidential information revealed to you by chance and how compliant you are with InfoSec (Information Security) policies.
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I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
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Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
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@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
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Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
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HR told you not to tell him
You're saying telling him is a bad idea.
And you're asking should I tell him?
What do you think?
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There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
yesterday
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Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
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This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
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@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
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@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
– Mister Positive♦
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HR seemed to be honest with you, they trusted you. As you describe the situation, you cannot do much to help your colleague.
But if you inform him, there is a significant chance that you shoot yourself in the foot. As you already fear, HR will find out, and they will surely not be happy.
In life, some things happen, and you cannot save everybody. Sad, but true. Let your colleague deal with his own problems, you deal with yours.
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virolinovirolino
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That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
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Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
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Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
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I see two problem statements here -
- You know something which you should not have known. Somebody breached the rule and told you some information which you should protect now. My Suggestion is don't tell it to your friend or else he and you both will be in trouble. Even if you tell him this information, it is not going to help him out. He will confront HR and lose reference as well. He wasn't getting the job anyway.
- 2nd, you want to help your colleague.
Don't even hint it to the other person if he is not very close to him.
Now, I would tell him that it is always a good idea to keep a backup plan if you don't get the job with the current organization. Also include that if offered, your first preference to take the job here. Again, don't bring up this conversation by yourself, but don't be afraid to tell him above in case he looks worried. If your colleague is not smart enough to take the hint, it is not your problem anymore.
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You should not tell your colleague.
It's not your responsibility to tell them. Given that you called this person a colleague rather than friend, you don't seem to have emotional closeness to this person. You don't owe them anything. One of the best skills for a professional is discerning when it's best to mind your own business.
Additionally, just because someone from HR told you, doesn't mean it's necessarily true. If you can't verify it, it's just gossip. Another great skill that will increase your professional value is not spreading gossip.
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Matthew FotzlerMatthew Fotzler
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I definitely agree you should not tell the colleague, and that it could be a test.
Now, if you really feel bad about it, you might go side ways about it and tell the colleague how you are yourself looking for other opportunities just in case you wouldn't get hired.
Might be seen as a lie, but actually might even be something good for your to do: until you have a signed contract in your hands, you're not hired.
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if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
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Remember that scene from Matrix movie? About Neo visiting Oracle, once he quits Morpheus stopped Neo's attempt to share the visit results: "What was said was for you and for you alone".
So, you should take into account that HR can simply...
- ... check you "does he able to keep things in secret"
- ... trying to manipulate you "let him feel his importance, like he's Chosen one"
- And many other things you have no clue about yet
Anyway, from my point, this situation is not a good sign. Stay sharp.
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Yury SchkatulaYury Schkatula
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First of all, what I believe, HR should not have disclosed this information in first place.
However, given the situation, I strongly suggest not to disclose it. As I read it, it's still a company secret (yet to be revealed officially), so not your place to reveal it.
Alongside that, it's a good chance to teach yourself how to handle the confidential information. I'd not say this is a good example for the exercise, however, make the best out of it.
That said, maybe I'm overthinking this, but given that
I believe he has the right to know but in the past he has acted irrationally with information and I suspect that if I tell him he will confront the HR with the same information.
this can be case where you are being tested on how you handle confidential information revealed to you by chance and how compliant you are with InfoSec (Information Security) policies.
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pytago
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Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
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Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
yesterday
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@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
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Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
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First of all, what I believe, HR should not have disclosed this information in first place.
However, given the situation, I strongly suggest not to disclose it. As I read it, it's still a company secret (yet to be revealed officially), so not your place to reveal it.
Alongside that, it's a good chance to teach yourself how to handle the confidential information. I'd not say this is a good example for the exercise, however, make the best out of it.
That said, maybe I'm overthinking this, but given that
I believe he has the right to know but in the past he has acted irrationally with information and I suspect that if I tell him he will confront the HR with the same information.
this can be case where you are being tested on how you handle confidential information revealed to you by chance and how compliant you are with InfoSec (Information Security) policies.
edited yesterday
pytago
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answered yesterday
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
3
Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
yesterday
1
@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
1
Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
add a comment |
First of all, what I believe, HR should not have disclosed this information in first place.
However, given the situation, I strongly suggest not to disclose it. As I read it, it's still a company secret (yet to be revealed officially), so not your place to reveal it.
Alongside that, it's a good chance to teach yourself how to handle the confidential information. I'd not say this is a good example for the exercise, however, make the best out of it.
That said, maybe I'm overthinking this, but given that
I believe he has the right to know but in the past he has acted irrationally with information and I suspect that if I tell him he will confront the HR with the same information.
this can be case where you are being tested on how you handle confidential information revealed to you by chance and how compliant you are with InfoSec (Information Security) policies.
edited yesterday
pytago
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answered yesterday
Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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First of all, what I believe, HR should not have disclosed this information in first place.
However, given the situation, I strongly suggest not to disclose it. As I read it, it's still a company secret (yet to be revealed officially), so not your place to reveal it.
Alongside that, it's a good chance to teach yourself how to handle the confidential information. I'd not say this is a good example for the exercise, however, make the best out of it.
That said, maybe I'm overthinking this, but given that
I believe he has the right to know but in the past he has acted irrationally with information and I suspect that if I tell him he will confront the HR with the same information.
this can be case where you are being tested on how you handle confidential information revealed to you by chance and how compliant you are with InfoSec (Information Security) policies.
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Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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Sourav GhoshSourav Ghosh
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I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
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Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
yesterday
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@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
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Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
add a comment |
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I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
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Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
yesterday
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@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
1
Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
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I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
I think there can be valid reasons why HR could share this information. 1. If there is only one position to fill and two interns, one getting the position implies the other one not getting it - making it explicit not to tell the other one prevents a slip. -- 2. They could be sharing certain workloads/projects, which OP needs to take over - early information will help him to do this, before the other one might throw a tantrum, ...
– Falco
yesterday
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Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
yesterday
Everyone who is "@" tagging the OP's real username in these comments should probably consider editing them in order to protect his identity, now that the original question has been disassociated.
– dwizum
yesterday
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@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
@dwizum Comments can only be edited for 5 minutes after submission.
– forest
23 hours ago
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Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
Fair point! Looks like a moderator has cleaned things up anyways.
– dwizum
13 hours ago
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HR told you not to tell him
You're saying telling him is a bad idea.
And you're asking should I tell him?
What do you think?
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There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
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Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
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This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
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@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
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@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
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HR told you not to tell him
You're saying telling him is a bad idea.
And you're asking should I tell him?
What do you think?
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There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
yesterday
6
Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
7
This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
7
@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
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@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
– Mister Positive♦
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HR told you not to tell him
You're saying telling him is a bad idea.
And you're asking should I tell him?
What do you think?
answered yesterday
solarflaresolarflare
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HR told you not to tell him
You're saying telling him is a bad idea.
And you're asking should I tell him?
What do you think?
answered yesterday
solarflaresolarflare
9,89342550
answered yesterday
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There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
yesterday
6
Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
7
This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
7
@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
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@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
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There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
yesterday
6
Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
7
This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
7
@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
9
@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
63
63
There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
yesterday
There are hundreds of questions on this site where the asker overthinks some issue even if it is obvious to others what to do. I feel answers like this aren't helpful in any way in those situations. To me it even looks like you are kind of mocking OP for not seeing the obvious. If the answer were that obvious to OP, they wouldn't have asked.
– kapex
yesterday
6
6
Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
Besides OP is taking into consideration the ethical implications of their actions. From a purely egoistic standpoint the choice is clear to them as well, as shown from "I believe he has the right to know" versus "which also endangers my chances here".
– Mär
yesterday
7
7
This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
This answer, while making a valid point, does come across as a bit harsh. Can you work on that part of the answer?
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
7
7
@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
@MisterPositive It makes a counter question, implying that the answer is obvious. OP came on forum to find out what others think, not to get patronized. There is nothing to work on here, really.
– Atizs
yesterday
9
9
@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
– Mister Positive♦
yesterday
@Atizs It also comes across as sarcastic and condescending.
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HR seemed to be honest with you, they trusted you. As you describe the situation, you cannot do much to help your colleague.
But if you inform him, there is a significant chance that you shoot yourself in the foot. As you already fear, HR will find out, and they will surely not be happy.
In life, some things happen, and you cannot save everybody. Sad, but true. Let your colleague deal with his own problems, you deal with yours.
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That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
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Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
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Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
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HR seemed to be honest with you, they trusted you. As you describe the situation, you cannot do much to help your colleague.
But if you inform him, there is a significant chance that you shoot yourself in the foot. As you already fear, HR will find out, and they will surely not be happy.
In life, some things happen, and you cannot save everybody. Sad, but true. Let your colleague deal with his own problems, you deal with yours.
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virolinovirolino
3,7261533
That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
2
Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
6
Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
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HR seemed to be honest with you, they trusted you. As you describe the situation, you cannot do much to help your colleague.
But if you inform him, there is a significant chance that you shoot yourself in the foot. As you already fear, HR will find out, and they will surely not be happy.
In life, some things happen, and you cannot save everybody. Sad, but true. Let your colleague deal with his own problems, you deal with yours.
answered yesterday
virolinovirolino
3,7261533
HR seemed to be honest with you, they trusted you. As you describe the situation, you cannot do much to help your colleague.
But if you inform him, there is a significant chance that you shoot yourself in the foot. As you already fear, HR will find out, and they will surely not be happy.
In life, some things happen, and you cannot save everybody. Sad, but true. Let your colleague deal with his own problems, you deal with yours.
answered yesterday
virolinovirolino
3,7261533
answered yesterday
virolinovirolino
3,7261533
answered yesterday
virolinovirolino
3,7261533
answered yesterday
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3,7261533
3,7261533
That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
2
Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
6
Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
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That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
2
Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
6
Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
That is the inclination I have as well, had he been rational in the past I would have hinted him to start looking for other jobs, but that hasn't been his record.
– anon
yesterday
2
2
Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
Exactly as you say: he is not even to be trusted with the information. One very good reason to care about yourself first.
– virolino
yesterday
6
6
Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
Let's be more blunt here: if HR has told you to keep it to yourself, they can still rescind your offer if you don't comply. And in their shoes, frankly, I would too
– George M
yesterday
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I see two problem statements here -
- You know something which you should not have known. Somebody breached the rule and told you some information which you should protect now. My Suggestion is don't tell it to your friend or else he and you both will be in trouble. Even if you tell him this information, it is not going to help him out. He will confront HR and lose reference as well. He wasn't getting the job anyway.
- 2nd, you want to help your colleague.
Don't even hint it to the other person if he is not very close to him.
Now, I would tell him that it is always a good idea to keep a backup plan if you don't get the job with the current organization. Also include that if offered, your first preference to take the job here. Again, don't bring up this conversation by yourself, but don't be afraid to tell him above in case he looks worried. If your colleague is not smart enough to take the hint, it is not your problem anymore.
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I see two problem statements here -
- You know something which you should not have known. Somebody breached the rule and told you some information which you should protect now. My Suggestion is don't tell it to your friend or else he and you both will be in trouble. Even if you tell him this information, it is not going to help him out. He will confront HR and lose reference as well. He wasn't getting the job anyway.
- 2nd, you want to help your colleague.
Don't even hint it to the other person if he is not very close to him.
Now, I would tell him that it is always a good idea to keep a backup plan if you don't get the job with the current organization. Also include that if offered, your first preference to take the job here. Again, don't bring up this conversation by yourself, but don't be afraid to tell him above in case he looks worried. If your colleague is not smart enough to take the hint, it is not your problem anymore.
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I see two problem statements here -
- You know something which you should not have known. Somebody breached the rule and told you some information which you should protect now. My Suggestion is don't tell it to your friend or else he and you both will be in trouble. Even if you tell him this information, it is not going to help him out. He will confront HR and lose reference as well. He wasn't getting the job anyway.
- 2nd, you want to help your colleague.
Don't even hint it to the other person if he is not very close to him.
Now, I would tell him that it is always a good idea to keep a backup plan if you don't get the job with the current organization. Also include that if offered, your first preference to take the job here. Again, don't bring up this conversation by yourself, but don't be afraid to tell him above in case he looks worried. If your colleague is not smart enough to take the hint, it is not your problem anymore.
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I see two problem statements here -
- You know something which you should not have known. Somebody breached the rule and told you some information which you should protect now. My Suggestion is don't tell it to your friend or else he and you both will be in trouble. Even if you tell him this information, it is not going to help him out. He will confront HR and lose reference as well. He wasn't getting the job anyway.
- 2nd, you want to help your colleague.
Don't even hint it to the other person if he is not very close to him.
Now, I would tell him that it is always a good idea to keep a backup plan if you don't get the job with the current organization. Also include that if offered, your first preference to take the job here. Again, don't bring up this conversation by yourself, but don't be afraid to tell him above in case he looks worried. If your colleague is not smart enough to take the hint, it is not your problem anymore.
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You should not tell your colleague.
It's not your responsibility to tell them. Given that you called this person a colleague rather than friend, you don't seem to have emotional closeness to this person. You don't owe them anything. One of the best skills for a professional is discerning when it's best to mind your own business.
Additionally, just because someone from HR told you, doesn't mean it's necessarily true. If you can't verify it, it's just gossip. Another great skill that will increase your professional value is not spreading gossip.
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You should not tell your colleague.
It's not your responsibility to tell them. Given that you called this person a colleague rather than friend, you don't seem to have emotional closeness to this person. You don't owe them anything. One of the best skills for a professional is discerning when it's best to mind your own business.
Additionally, just because someone from HR told you, doesn't mean it's necessarily true. If you can't verify it, it's just gossip. Another great skill that will increase your professional value is not spreading gossip.
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Matthew FotzlerMatthew Fotzler
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You should not tell your colleague.
It's not your responsibility to tell them. Given that you called this person a colleague rather than friend, you don't seem to have emotional closeness to this person. You don't owe them anything. One of the best skills for a professional is discerning when it's best to mind your own business.
Additionally, just because someone from HR told you, doesn't mean it's necessarily true. If you can't verify it, it's just gossip. Another great skill that will increase your professional value is not spreading gossip.
answered yesterday
Matthew FotzlerMatthew Fotzler
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You should not tell your colleague.
It's not your responsibility to tell them. Given that you called this person a colleague rather than friend, you don't seem to have emotional closeness to this person. You don't owe them anything. One of the best skills for a professional is discerning when it's best to mind your own business.
Additionally, just because someone from HR told you, doesn't mean it's necessarily true. If you can't verify it, it's just gossip. Another great skill that will increase your professional value is not spreading gossip.
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I definitely agree you should not tell the colleague, and that it could be a test.
Now, if you really feel bad about it, you might go side ways about it and tell the colleague how you are yourself looking for other opportunities just in case you wouldn't get hired.
Might be seen as a lie, but actually might even be something good for your to do: until you have a signed contract in your hands, you're not hired.
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if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
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I definitely agree you should not tell the colleague, and that it could be a test.
Now, if you really feel bad about it, you might go side ways about it and tell the colleague how you are yourself looking for other opportunities just in case you wouldn't get hired.
Might be seen as a lie, but actually might even be something good for your to do: until you have a signed contract in your hands, you're not hired.
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if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
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I definitely agree you should not tell the colleague, and that it could be a test.
Now, if you really feel bad about it, you might go side ways about it and tell the colleague how you are yourself looking for other opportunities just in case you wouldn't get hired.
Might be seen as a lie, but actually might even be something good for your to do: until you have a signed contract in your hands, you're not hired.
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I definitely agree you should not tell the colleague, and that it could be a test.
Now, if you really feel bad about it, you might go side ways about it and tell the colleague how you are yourself looking for other opportunities just in case you wouldn't get hired.
Might be seen as a lie, but actually might even be something good for your to do: until you have a signed contract in your hands, you're not hired.
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if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
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4
if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
4
4
if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
if the plan is to accept an offer i would avoid actively telling any colleagues that you are looking to find other roles, that kind of thing will get back to the higher ups and could cost you the position you would of otherwise been offered.
– J.Doe
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
This was also what I was thinking, but I would frame it more like "Hey have you been looking around for any other jobs after this internship is over?" More of a hint that he should be looking rather than outright tell him that you are looking.
– JPhi1618
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
That should be a -response- to the other intern bringing up the topic, not something the OP brings up spontaneously. Unless he's a very good liar indeed and certain he can pull it off, and even then the other intern is bound to wonder why the OP would bring this up
– George M
yesterday
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Remember that scene from Matrix movie? About Neo visiting Oracle, once he quits Morpheus stopped Neo's attempt to share the visit results: "What was said was for you and for you alone".
So, you should take into account that HR can simply...
- ... check you "does he able to keep things in secret"
- ... trying to manipulate you "let him feel his importance, like he's Chosen one"
- And many other things you have no clue about yet
Anyway, from my point, this situation is not a good sign. Stay sharp.
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Yury SchkatulaYury Schkatula
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Remember that scene from Matrix movie? About Neo visiting Oracle, once he quits Morpheus stopped Neo's attempt to share the visit results: "What was said was for you and for you alone".
So, you should take into account that HR can simply...
- ... check you "does he able to keep things in secret"
- ... trying to manipulate you "let him feel his importance, like he's Chosen one"
- And many other things you have no clue about yet
Anyway, from my point, this situation is not a good sign. Stay sharp.
answered yesterday
Yury SchkatulaYury Schkatula
2853
add a comment |
Remember that scene from Matrix movie? About Neo visiting Oracle, once he quits Morpheus stopped Neo's attempt to share the visit results: "What was said was for you and for you alone".
So, you should take into account that HR can simply...
- ... check you "does he able to keep things in secret"
- ... trying to manipulate you "let him feel his importance, like he's Chosen one"
- And many other things you have no clue about yet
Anyway, from my point, this situation is not a good sign. Stay sharp.
answered yesterday
Yury SchkatulaYury Schkatula
2853
Remember that scene from Matrix movie? About Neo visiting Oracle, once he quits Morpheus stopped Neo's attempt to share the visit results: "What was said was for you and for you alone".
So, you should take into account that HR can simply...
- ... check you "does he able to keep things in secret"
- ... trying to manipulate you "let him feel his importance, like he's Chosen one"
- And many other things you have no clue about yet
Anyway, from my point, this situation is not a good sign. Stay sharp.
answered yesterday
Yury SchkatulaYury Schkatula
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@UKMonkey The fact that the other intern will not get hired isn't personal information, it's a decision taken by HR and I'm not sure why they wouldn't be allowed to share it with whomever they choose.
– Echox
yesterday
@UKMonkey "HR will have it on file that they're not going to be offered a position" It won't be on any filing system that could be traced, until they have actually given the person notice. Not unless HR are incompetent, anyway - but that is a dangerous assumption to make. In the real world the effect of things like GDPR is to make more information untraceable, not less. It's HR's job to figure out how to get around legislation they don't like!
– alephzero
yesterday
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"I believe he has the right to know" - even if we were to agree that he has a right to know, it's not your job to inform him. Let HR do that.
– Joe Strazzere
yesterday
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shouldn't title be "about Firing"?
– aaaaaa
yesterday
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@aaaaaa I don't see why. One person is getting hired and another is not. No one is getting fired.
– forest
yesterday