Why did Darth Vader fall down so much when fighting Luke?
Why did Vader keep falling down when battling Luke on Cloud City and on the second Death Star? In Cloud City when he falls off the ledge when he and Luke are battling on top of the carbon freezing platform, when Luck backs him up, and when Luke kicks him on the second Death Star? Was Luke that much better or did it have to to with Vaders mechanical parts?
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Why did Vader keep falling down when battling Luke on Cloud City and on the second Death Star? In Cloud City when he falls off the ledge when he and Luke are battling on top of the carbon freezing platform, when Luck backs him up, and when Luke kicks him on the second Death Star? Was Luke that much better or did it have to to with Vaders mechanical parts?
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vader is old, his mechanical body parts are bound to be a little rusty ;)
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 7:43
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Why did Vader keep falling down when battling Luke on Cloud City and on the second Death Star? In Cloud City when he falls off the ledge when he and Luke are battling on top of the carbon freezing platform, when Luck backs him up, and when Luke kicks him on the second Death Star? Was Luke that much better or did it have to to with Vaders mechanical parts?
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Why did Vader keep falling down when battling Luke on Cloud City and on the second Death Star? In Cloud City when he falls off the ledge when he and Luke are battling on top of the carbon freezing platform, when Luck backs him up, and when Luke kicks him on the second Death Star? Was Luke that much better or did it have to to with Vaders mechanical parts?
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vader is old, his mechanical body parts are bound to be a little rusty ;)
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 7:43
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vader is old, his mechanical body parts are bound to be a little rusty ;)
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 7:43
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vader is old, his mechanical body parts are bound to be a little rusty ;)
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 7:43
vader is old, his mechanical body parts are bound to be a little rusty ;)
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On Cloud City, Vader is holding back. Luke is his son. He can easily whip him, but his intent is not to win the fight. He wants to test Luke to find out if he's worthy of being turned. Vader wants to push him, tire him, taunt him, leave him mentally and physically exhausted so he can turn him.
I've always gotten the impression that Vader underestimates Luke in the Cloud City fight and is occasionally surprised, like when he takes a graze on the shoulder. Vader thinks all the training Luke got was from Obi Wan who's been dead for years, he doesn't know about Yoda's training. As for the first kick off the platform, I think Vader set it up. He leads Luke into the fun house below where he can surprise him, confuse him and batter him.
The battle on the Second Death Star is a similar matter, but things have changed. Vader and the Emperor are playing the same game, they're not trying to kill Luke, they're trying to break him and turn him. Vader still has to hold back, but something more. Luke is still Vader's son, and they've had a little heart-to-heart on Endor, so his heart is not entirely in it. Luke is much stronger now, and Vader can't play Luke like he did in Cloud City.
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
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@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
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@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
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Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
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@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
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I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
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On Cloud City, Vader is holding back. Luke is his son. He can easily whip him, but his intent is not to win the fight. He wants to test Luke to find out if he's worthy of being turned. Vader wants to push him, tire him, taunt him, leave him mentally and physically exhausted so he can turn him.
I've always gotten the impression that Vader underestimates Luke in the Cloud City fight and is occasionally surprised, like when he takes a graze on the shoulder. Vader thinks all the training Luke got was from Obi Wan who's been dead for years, he doesn't know about Yoda's training. As for the first kick off the platform, I think Vader set it up. He leads Luke into the fun house below where he can surprise him, confuse him and batter him.
The battle on the Second Death Star is a similar matter, but things have changed. Vader and the Emperor are playing the same game, they're not trying to kill Luke, they're trying to break him and turn him. Vader still has to hold back, but something more. Luke is still Vader's son, and they've had a little heart-to-heart on Endor, so his heart is not entirely in it. Luke is much stronger now, and Vader can't play Luke like he did in Cloud City.
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
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@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
3
@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
5
Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
1
@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
1
I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
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On Cloud City, Vader is holding back. Luke is his son. He can easily whip him, but his intent is not to win the fight. He wants to test Luke to find out if he's worthy of being turned. Vader wants to push him, tire him, taunt him, leave him mentally and physically exhausted so he can turn him.
I've always gotten the impression that Vader underestimates Luke in the Cloud City fight and is occasionally surprised, like when he takes a graze on the shoulder. Vader thinks all the training Luke got was from Obi Wan who's been dead for years, he doesn't know about Yoda's training. As for the first kick off the platform, I think Vader set it up. He leads Luke into the fun house below where he can surprise him, confuse him and batter him.
The battle on the Second Death Star is a similar matter, but things have changed. Vader and the Emperor are playing the same game, they're not trying to kill Luke, they're trying to break him and turn him. Vader still has to hold back, but something more. Luke is still Vader's son, and they've had a little heart-to-heart on Endor, so his heart is not entirely in it. Luke is much stronger now, and Vader can't play Luke like he did in Cloud City.
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
SchwernSchwern
10.9k44058
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@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
3
@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
5
Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
1
@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
1
I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
|
show 8 more comments
On Cloud City, Vader is holding back. Luke is his son. He can easily whip him, but his intent is not to win the fight. He wants to test Luke to find out if he's worthy of being turned. Vader wants to push him, tire him, taunt him, leave him mentally and physically exhausted so he can turn him.
I've always gotten the impression that Vader underestimates Luke in the Cloud City fight and is occasionally surprised, like when he takes a graze on the shoulder. Vader thinks all the training Luke got was from Obi Wan who's been dead for years, he doesn't know about Yoda's training. As for the first kick off the platform, I think Vader set it up. He leads Luke into the fun house below where he can surprise him, confuse him and batter him.
The battle on the Second Death Star is a similar matter, but things have changed. Vader and the Emperor are playing the same game, they're not trying to kill Luke, they're trying to break him and turn him. Vader still has to hold back, but something more. Luke is still Vader's son, and they've had a little heart-to-heart on Endor, so his heart is not entirely in it. Luke is much stronger now, and Vader can't play Luke like he did in Cloud City.
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
SchwernSchwern
10.9k44058
On Cloud City, Vader is holding back. Luke is his son. He can easily whip him, but his intent is not to win the fight. He wants to test Luke to find out if he's worthy of being turned. Vader wants to push him, tire him, taunt him, leave him mentally and physically exhausted so he can turn him.
I've always gotten the impression that Vader underestimates Luke in the Cloud City fight and is occasionally surprised, like when he takes a graze on the shoulder. Vader thinks all the training Luke got was from Obi Wan who's been dead for years, he doesn't know about Yoda's training. As for the first kick off the platform, I think Vader set it up. He leads Luke into the fun house below where he can surprise him, confuse him and batter him.
The battle on the Second Death Star is a similar matter, but things have changed. Vader and the Emperor are playing the same game, they're not trying to kill Luke, they're trying to break him and turn him. Vader still has to hold back, but something more. Luke is still Vader's son, and they've had a little heart-to-heart on Endor, so his heart is not entirely in it. Luke is much stronger now, and Vader can't play Luke like he did in Cloud City.
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
SchwernSchwern
10.9k44058
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
SchwernSchwern
10.9k44058
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
SchwernSchwern
10.9k44058
answered Mar 17 '15 at 8:42
SchwernSchwern
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@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
3
@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
5
Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
1
@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
1
I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
|
show 8 more comments
1
@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
3
@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
5
Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
1
@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
1
I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
1
1
@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
@ssdecontrol - I'm pretty sure that question has been asked. Anyway, the rule of two is a guideline, and has been broken on separate occasions. But I would personally like to believe that should Vader have succeeded in converting Luke, they would overthrow the Emperor and "rule as father and son" :D
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 11:57
3
3
@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
@Paulster2 - that question has definitely been asked (scifi.stackexchange.com/q/14047/8719); my theory (which I have evidence for) is that each of Vader and the Emperor is plotting against the other and planning to replace the other with Luke, and they're both well-aware of it (scifi.stackexchange.com/a/55285/8719).
– user8719
Mar 17 '15 at 12:24
5
5
Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
Absolutely, maddeningly, repeatedly asked. The word “Rule” is like catnip to nerds, they’re immediately trying to test it. Terrible choice of words. It’s the Rule of Thumb of Two.
– Paul D. Waite
Mar 17 '15 at 12:40
1
1
@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
@PaulD.Waite They're more like "Guidelines" than actual rules.
– CBredlow
Mar 17 '15 at 22:33
1
1
I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
I have seen RotJ many times and I always interpreted the lightsaber battle, which the Emperor kept encouraging, as being meant to, in addition to turning Luke, to let them duel it to the death. The Emperor suspected Luke was superior, but didn't want to give up Vader if he was wrong. So, let them fight to the death. Last man standing gets the job. Similar to the opening fight in RotS between Anikan and Dookoo. Let the better man win.
– Brandon
Mar 19 '15 at 1:46
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vader is old, his mechanical body parts are bound to be a little rusty ;)
– LepelLeLama
Mar 17 '15 at 7:43