Is the origin of the words 'valar' and 'Valyrian' the same?
In the series A Song of Ice and Fire, we know the phrases 'valar morghulis' and 'valar dohaeris' mean 'all men must die' and 'all men must serve', respectively. It immediately follows that 'valar' means 'all men' and seems to be a nod towards Tolkien's Valar and looks/sounds similar to the Old Norse word 'valr' meaning 'the slain'.
We also have 'Valyria' for the location in Essos. While someone from Valyria is known as a 'Valyrian', 'Valyrian' and 'valar' are fairly similar words, so it seems at least possible that one came from the other, or have the same etymology (both in- and out- of world).
While it's known that GRRM isn't an expert on languages, the creator of the languages for the TV show is. However, as he didn't come up with either of the words in question, he doesn't know any more than "It seems likely, but it could be a coincidence".
So, my question is exactly that: What is the relation (if any) between the words 'valar' and 'Valyria'
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In the series A Song of Ice and Fire, we know the phrases 'valar morghulis' and 'valar dohaeris' mean 'all men must die' and 'all men must serve', respectively. It immediately follows that 'valar' means 'all men' and seems to be a nod towards Tolkien's Valar and looks/sounds similar to the Old Norse word 'valr' meaning 'the slain'.
We also have 'Valyria' for the location in Essos. While someone from Valyria is known as a 'Valyrian', 'Valyrian' and 'valar' are fairly similar words, so it seems at least possible that one came from the other, or have the same etymology (both in- and out- of world).
While it's known that GRRM isn't an expert on languages, the creator of the languages for the TV show is. However, as he didn't come up with either of the words in question, he doesn't know any more than "It seems likely, but it could be a coincidence".
So, my question is exactly that: What is the relation (if any) between the words 'valar' and 'Valyria'
game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire languages
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
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asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
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Note: I'm not sure whether this is best posted here in SFF or on Conlang
– Mithrandir24601
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In the series A Song of Ice and Fire, we know the phrases 'valar morghulis' and 'valar dohaeris' mean 'all men must die' and 'all men must serve', respectively. It immediately follows that 'valar' means 'all men' and seems to be a nod towards Tolkien's Valar and looks/sounds similar to the Old Norse word 'valr' meaning 'the slain'.
We also have 'Valyria' for the location in Essos. While someone from Valyria is known as a 'Valyrian', 'Valyrian' and 'valar' are fairly similar words, so it seems at least possible that one came from the other, or have the same etymology (both in- and out- of world).
While it's known that GRRM isn't an expert on languages, the creator of the languages for the TV show is. However, as he didn't come up with either of the words in question, he doesn't know any more than "It seems likely, but it could be a coincidence".
So, my question is exactly that: What is the relation (if any) between the words 'valar' and 'Valyria'
game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire languages
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
40.5k15218266
asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
6881714
In the series A Song of Ice and Fire, we know the phrases 'valar morghulis' and 'valar dohaeris' mean 'all men must die' and 'all men must serve', respectively. It immediately follows that 'valar' means 'all men' and seems to be a nod towards Tolkien's Valar and looks/sounds similar to the Old Norse word 'valr' meaning 'the slain'.
We also have 'Valyria' for the location in Essos. While someone from Valyria is known as a 'Valyrian', 'Valyrian' and 'valar' are fairly similar words, so it seems at least possible that one came from the other, or have the same etymology (both in- and out- of world).
While it's known that GRRM isn't an expert on languages, the creator of the languages for the TV show is. However, as he didn't come up with either of the words in question, he doesn't know any more than "It seems likely, but it could be a coincidence".
So, my question is exactly that: What is the relation (if any) between the words 'valar' and 'Valyria'
game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire languages
game-of-thrones a-song-of-ice-and-fire languages
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
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asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
6881714
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
40.5k15218266
asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
6881714
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
40.5k15218266
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
40.5k15218266
edited 52 secs ago
TheLethalCarrot
40.5k15218266
40.5k15218266
asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
6881714
asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
6881714
asked 3 mins ago
Mithrandir24601Mithrandir24601
6881714
6881714
Note: I'm not sure whether this is best posted here in SFF or on Conlang
– Mithrandir24601
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Note: I'm not sure whether this is best posted here in SFF or on Conlang
– Mithrandir24601
2 mins ago
Note: I'm not sure whether this is best posted here in SFF or on Conlang
– Mithrandir24601
2 mins ago
Note: I'm not sure whether this is best posted here in SFF or on Conlang
– Mithrandir24601
2 mins ago
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Note: I'm not sure whether this is best posted here in SFF or on Conlang
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