How essential are the demonstrative pronoun declensions?












4















The Oxford Latin Course presents the numerous declensions of is, ille, hic, and ipse early in their introductory course (chapter 8 of 31).



I am wondering if I should stop here and memorize all of these declensions before proceeding. How proficiently can one read Latin without memorizing all of the demonstrative pronoun declensions? Or are they only needed for writing?






study-strategies demonstrative-pronoun







share|improve this question























  • You should be sure to recognise the odd genitive eius, huius, which you will meet in the relative pronoun, cuius. And the curious datives huic (cui). And though is, ea, id are not always needed for 'he' 'she' 'it' the accusative eum, eam, id; and illum, illam, id, illos, illas, illa will be needed for 'him' 'her' 'it' 'them.'

    – Hugh
    9 hours ago
















4















The Oxford Latin Course presents the numerous declensions of is, ille, hic, and ipse early in their introductory course (chapter 8 of 31).



I am wondering if I should stop here and memorize all of these declensions before proceeding. How proficiently can one read Latin without memorizing all of the demonstrative pronoun declensions? Or are they only needed for writing?






study-strategies demonstrative-pronoun







share|improve this question























  • You should be sure to recognise the odd genitive eius, huius, which you will meet in the relative pronoun, cuius. And the curious datives huic (cui). And though is, ea, id are not always needed for 'he' 'she' 'it' the accusative eum, eam, id; and illum, illam, id, illos, illas, illa will be needed for 'him' 'her' 'it' 'them.'

    – Hugh
    9 hours ago














4












4








4








The Oxford Latin Course presents the numerous declensions of is, ille, hic, and ipse early in their introductory course (chapter 8 of 31).



I am wondering if I should stop here and memorize all of these declensions before proceeding. How proficiently can one read Latin without memorizing all of the demonstrative pronoun declensions? Or are they only needed for writing?






study-strategies demonstrative-pronoun







share|improve this question














The Oxford Latin Course presents the numerous declensions of is, ille, hic, and ipse early in their introductory course (chapter 8 of 31).



I am wondering if I should stop here and memorize all of these declensions before proceeding. How proficiently can one read Latin without memorizing all of the demonstrative pronoun declensions? Or are they only needed for writing?






study-strategies demonstrative-pronoun




study-strategies demonstrative-pronoun






share|improve this question













share|improve this question











share|improve this question




share|improve this question










asked 10 hours ago









DoubtDoubt

1311




1311













  • You should be sure to recognise the odd genitive eius, huius, which you will meet in the relative pronoun, cuius. And the curious datives huic (cui). And though is, ea, id are not always needed for 'he' 'she' 'it' the accusative eum, eam, id; and illum, illam, id, illos, illas, illa will be needed for 'him' 'her' 'it' 'them.'

    – Hugh
    9 hours ago



















  • You should be sure to recognise the odd genitive eius, huius, which you will meet in the relative pronoun, cuius. And the curious datives huic (cui). And though is, ea, id are not always needed for 'he' 'she' 'it' the accusative eum, eam, id; and illum, illam, id, illos, illas, illa will be needed for 'him' 'her' 'it' 'them.'

    – Hugh
    9 hours ago

















You should be sure to recognise the odd genitive eius, huius, which you will meet in the relative pronoun, cuius. And the curious datives huic (cui). And though is, ea, id are not always needed for 'he' 'she' 'it' the accusative eum, eam, id; and illum, illam, id, illos, illas, illa will be needed for 'him' 'her' 'it' 'them.'

– Hugh
9 hours ago





You should be sure to recognise the odd genitive eius, huius, which you will meet in the relative pronoun, cuius. And the curious datives huic (cui). And though is, ea, id are not always needed for 'he' 'she' 'it' the accusative eum, eam, id; and illum, illam, id, illos, illas, illa will be needed for 'him' 'her' 'it' 'them.'

– Hugh
9 hours ago










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes


















6














You can't read Latin proficiently without knowing these pronouns: they're all very common, and the meaning of a sentence often hinges on their precise form.



That said, their declensions are complicated and tend to be something students of Latin come back to again and again until they're mastered. So you don't necessarily need to stop here until you've memorized them perfectly, but definitely make a start on learning the forms if you want to eventually read Latin well.



(Btw, I think many textbooks make a pedagogical mistake in presenting these pronouns together: too many forms at once, with the result that lots of students kind of give up on them. It might be better to learn one at a time, but I realize you may not have that option as you're following the OLC.)






share|improve this answer
























  • I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

    – Joonas Ilmavirta♦
    6 hours ago











Your Answer








StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "644"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});

function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});


}
});














draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2flatin.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f8877%2fhow-essential-are-the-demonstrative-pronoun-declensions%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes








1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









6














You can't read Latin proficiently without knowing these pronouns: they're all very common, and the meaning of a sentence often hinges on their precise form.



That said, their declensions are complicated and tend to be something students of Latin come back to again and again until they're mastered. So you don't necessarily need to stop here until you've memorized them perfectly, but definitely make a start on learning the forms if you want to eventually read Latin well.



(Btw, I think many textbooks make a pedagogical mistake in presenting these pronouns together: too many forms at once, with the result that lots of students kind of give up on them. It might be better to learn one at a time, but I realize you may not have that option as you're following the OLC.)






share|improve this answer
























  • I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

    – Joonas Ilmavirta♦
    6 hours ago
















6














You can't read Latin proficiently without knowing these pronouns: they're all very common, and the meaning of a sentence often hinges on their precise form.



That said, their declensions are complicated and tend to be something students of Latin come back to again and again until they're mastered. So you don't necessarily need to stop here until you've memorized them perfectly, but definitely make a start on learning the forms if you want to eventually read Latin well.



(Btw, I think many textbooks make a pedagogical mistake in presenting these pronouns together: too many forms at once, with the result that lots of students kind of give up on them. It might be better to learn one at a time, but I realize you may not have that option as you're following the OLC.)






share|improve this answer
























  • I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

    – Joonas Ilmavirta♦
    6 hours ago














6












6








6







You can't read Latin proficiently without knowing these pronouns: they're all very common, and the meaning of a sentence often hinges on their precise form.



That said, their declensions are complicated and tend to be something students of Latin come back to again and again until they're mastered. So you don't necessarily need to stop here until you've memorized them perfectly, but definitely make a start on learning the forms if you want to eventually read Latin well.



(Btw, I think many textbooks make a pedagogical mistake in presenting these pronouns together: too many forms at once, with the result that lots of students kind of give up on them. It might be better to learn one at a time, but I realize you may not have that option as you're following the OLC.)






share|improve this answer













You can't read Latin proficiently without knowing these pronouns: they're all very common, and the meaning of a sentence often hinges on their precise form.



That said, their declensions are complicated and tend to be something students of Latin come back to again and again until they're mastered. So you don't necessarily need to stop here until you've memorized them perfectly, but definitely make a start on learning the forms if you want to eventually read Latin well.



(Btw, I think many textbooks make a pedagogical mistake in presenting these pronouns together: too many forms at once, with the result that lots of students kind of give up on them. It might be better to learn one at a time, but I realize you may not have that option as you're following the OLC.)







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered 9 hours ago









TKRTKR

13.8k2857




13.8k2857













  • I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

    – Joonas Ilmavirta♦
    6 hours ago



















  • I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

    – Joonas Ilmavirta♦
    6 hours ago

















I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

– Joonas Ilmavirta♦
6 hours ago





I would add that an important part of learning pronoun declensions is getting used to their use in textual context. Memorization in isolation is a useful step, but does not take one all the way to mastery.

– Joonas Ilmavirta♦
6 hours ago


















draft saved

draft discarded




















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Latin Language Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid …



  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2flatin.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f8877%2fhow-essential-are-the-demonstrative-pronoun-declensions%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







-

Popular posts from this blog

Floris Gerts

Image
Floris Gerts Persoonlijke informatie Geboortedatum 3 mei 1992 Geboorteplaats Maastricht, Nederland Lengte 182 cm Sportieve informatie Huidige ploeg Tarteletto-Isorex Discipline(s) Weg Ploegen 2014 2015 2016–2017 2018–2019 2019- Rabobank DT →BMC (stagiair) BMC Roompot-Nederlandse Loterij Tarteletto-Isorex Portaal:   Wielersport Floris Gerts (Maastricht, 3 mei 1992) is een Nederlands wielrenner die anno 2019 rijdt voor Tarteletto-Isorex. Eerder kwam hij uit voor BMC, dat hem na een stage overnam van haar opleidingsploeg. Na het seizoen 2017 werd zijn contract bij BMC niet verlengd. Lange tijd zag het er naar uit dat hij voor 2018 geen ploeg zou vinden. Echter, op 11 januari raakte bekend dat Gerts een éénjarig contract tekende bij Roompot-Nederlandse Loterij. [1] In het seizoen 2019 komt de renner uit voor de continentale ploeg Tarteletto-Isorex. [2] Inhoud 1 Palmares 1.1 Overwinningen 1.2 Resultate...
Read more

Gregoriusmis

Image
Een afbeelding van de Gregoriusmis uit een getijdenboek gemaakt in de zuidelijke Nederlanden tussen 1500 en 1525 Gregoriusmis, Meester van het Akense Altaar, ca. 1500-1525. Collectie Museum Catharijneconvent De Gregoriusmis of de Mis van Sint Gregorius is een motief in katholieke kunst, dat het eerst verscheen in de late Middeleeuwen en dat nog steeds werd gebruikt tijdens de contrareformatie. Paus Gregorius I (ca. 540-604) is afgebeeld, de H. Mis opdragend, terwijl Christus als de Man van Smarten verschijnt op het altaar dat voor Sint Gregorius staat. Volgens de legende had St. Gregorius gebeden om een teken voor een betwijfelaar van de transsubstantiatieleer, waarop de lijdende Christus tijdens het opdragen van de Mis verscheen om hem te overtuigen en waarbij zijn bloed in de altaarkelk liep. Vaak zijn ook de passiewerktuigen afgebeeld. Zie de categorie Mass of Saint Gregory van Wikimedia Commons voor mediabestanden over dit onderwerp. This page is onl...
Read more

Goes

Image
Zie Goes (doorverwijspagina) voor andere betekenissen van Goes. Goes Plaats in Nederland (Details) (Details) Situering Provincie Zeeland Gemeente Goes Coördinaten 51° 30′ NB, 3° 53′ OL Algemeen Inwoners (01-01-2018) 37.636 [1] Overig Netnummer 0113 Belangrijke verkeersaders A58, N254, N256, N289, NS Zeeuwse Lijn Website www.goes.nl Portaal     Nederland Stadshaven van Goes Het stadhuis Grote of Maria Magdalenakerk De watertoren Westerkerk De Koornbloem De televisietoren Getijwaterkorenmolen 't Soepuus Trapgevels in Goes Stadsgracht ("de Veste") Kijk op de Nieuwstraat vanaf de Beestenmarkt Cultuurhuis in Amsterdamse Schoolstijl Voormalige RK ULO Goes (   uitspraak   (info / uitleg) ) (Zeeuws: Hoes ) is een stad op het schiereiland Zuid-Beveland, centraal gelegen in de Nederlandse provincie Zeeland. De s...
Read more