Does Control's existence contradict the set canon with regards to AI?
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Control has so far shown A LOT of abilities and a huge adaptiblity to situations and the ability to outsmart even very intelligent organic beings and set traps for them.
What I'm wondering is if its existence contradicts the set canon.
In TOS we had a super computer once who was given control over the Enterprise during wargames....that computer (an AI in essence) was said to be the best state of the art available in the Federation. Still, though it seems very lacking compared to Control.
Then 100 years later...Data with his positronic brain. He seems to be on equal footing with Control...MAYBE a bit more capable even. Still though it was said that his very existence and that he can be so humanlike is something extremely extraordinary and unheard of for artificial intelligences.
(Control on the other hand manages to impersonate humans quite easily and even better than Data was in that area as he alway seemed very stiff there).
So as it stands Control seems to be way too superior to what should be state of the art in that era and even 100 years later. Thus my quesiton is: Does Control's very existence contradict canon (with how control currently is....sans any time travels to eliminate its exitence from the start)?
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Control has so far shown A LOT of abilities and a huge adaptiblity to situations and the ability to outsmart even very intelligent organic beings and set traps for them.
What I'm wondering is if its existence contradicts the set canon.
In TOS we had a super computer once who was given control over the Enterprise during wargames....that computer (an AI in essence) was said to be the best state of the art available in the Federation. Still, though it seems very lacking compared to Control.
Then 100 years later...Data with his positronic brain. He seems to be on equal footing with Control...MAYBE a bit more capable even. Still though it was said that his very existence and that he can be so humanlike is something extremely extraordinary and unheard of for artificial intelligences.
(Control on the other hand manages to impersonate humans quite easily and even better than Data was in that area as he alway seemed very stiff there).
So as it stands Control seems to be way too superior to what should be state of the art in that era and even 100 years later. Thus my quesiton is: Does Control's very existence contradict canon (with how control currently is....sans any time travels to eliminate its exitence from the start)?
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Not quite an answer, but the reason Data was stiff and not human was because he was designed that way. His earlier-built "brother" Lore was much more realistic - dangerously so.
– Cadence
7 hours ago
@Cadence I know still though data was adaptable but not so much. he could not escape that part of his coding....control managed to override every bit of its codingso far (especially the protect us part)
– Thomas
7 hours ago
2
no more than the entire series is an entire contradiction to most ST canon :
– NKCampbell
7 hours ago
1
It seems Discovery is overwriting most of the canon in many aspects... Spore drive!? AI?! Spock has a sister!? Khaaan
– Rebel-Scum
5 hours ago
Spock has never previously been stated not to have a sister, and given his habitual use of precise words, he'd be the first to point out she's not actually his sister, as she had different biological parents. What Discovery has mostly done is "overwrite" what people thought was canon, but was never actually established on screen.
– Keith Morrison
1 hour ago
|
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Control has so far shown A LOT of abilities and a huge adaptiblity to situations and the ability to outsmart even very intelligent organic beings and set traps for them.
What I'm wondering is if its existence contradicts the set canon.
In TOS we had a super computer once who was given control over the Enterprise during wargames....that computer (an AI in essence) was said to be the best state of the art available in the Federation. Still, though it seems very lacking compared to Control.
Then 100 years later...Data with his positronic brain. He seems to be on equal footing with Control...MAYBE a bit more capable even. Still though it was said that his very existence and that he can be so humanlike is something extremely extraordinary and unheard of for artificial intelligences.
(Control on the other hand manages to impersonate humans quite easily and even better than Data was in that area as he alway seemed very stiff there).
So as it stands Control seems to be way too superior to what should be state of the art in that era and even 100 years later. Thus my quesiton is: Does Control's very existence contradict canon (with how control currently is....sans any time travels to eliminate its exitence from the start)?
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Control has so far shown A LOT of abilities and a huge adaptiblity to situations and the ability to outsmart even very intelligent organic beings and set traps for them.
What I'm wondering is if its existence contradicts the set canon.
In TOS we had a super computer once who was given control over the Enterprise during wargames....that computer (an AI in essence) was said to be the best state of the art available in the Federation. Still, though it seems very lacking compared to Control.
Then 100 years later...Data with his positronic brain. He seems to be on equal footing with Control...MAYBE a bit more capable even. Still though it was said that his very existence and that he can be so humanlike is something extremely extraordinary and unheard of for artificial intelligences.
(Control on the other hand manages to impersonate humans quite easily and even better than Data was in that area as he alway seemed very stiff there).
So as it stands Control seems to be way too superior to what should be state of the art in that era and even 100 years later. Thus my quesiton is: Does Control's very existence contradict canon (with how control currently is....sans any time travels to eliminate its exitence from the start)?
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Not quite an answer, but the reason Data was stiff and not human was because he was designed that way. His earlier-built "brother" Lore was much more realistic - dangerously so.
– Cadence
7 hours ago
@Cadence I know still though data was adaptable but not so much. he could not escape that part of his coding....control managed to override every bit of its codingso far (especially the protect us part)
– Thomas
7 hours ago
2
no more than the entire series is an entire contradiction to most ST canon :
– NKCampbell
7 hours ago
1
It seems Discovery is overwriting most of the canon in many aspects... Spore drive!? AI?! Spock has a sister!? Khaaan
– Rebel-Scum
5 hours ago
Spock has never previously been stated not to have a sister, and given his habitual use of precise words, he'd be the first to point out she's not actually his sister, as she had different biological parents. What Discovery has mostly done is "overwrite" what people thought was canon, but was never actually established on screen.
– Keith Morrison
1 hour ago
|
show 2 more comments
Not quite an answer, but the reason Data was stiff and not human was because he was designed that way. His earlier-built "brother" Lore was much more realistic - dangerously so.
– Cadence
7 hours ago
@Cadence I know still though data was adaptable but not so much. he could not escape that part of his coding....control managed to override every bit of its codingso far (especially the protect us part)
– Thomas
7 hours ago
2
no more than the entire series is an entire contradiction to most ST canon :
– NKCampbell
7 hours ago
1
It seems Discovery is overwriting most of the canon in many aspects... Spore drive!? AI?! Spock has a sister!? Khaaan
– Rebel-Scum
5 hours ago
Spock has never previously been stated not to have a sister, and given his habitual use of precise words, he'd be the first to point out she's not actually his sister, as she had different biological parents. What Discovery has mostly done is "overwrite" what people thought was canon, but was never actually established on screen.
– Keith Morrison
1 hour ago
Not quite an answer, but the reason Data was stiff and not human was because he was designed that way. His earlier-built "brother" Lore was much more realistic - dangerously so.
– Cadence
7 hours ago
Not quite an answer, but the reason Data was stiff and not human was because he was designed that way. His earlier-built "brother" Lore was much more realistic - dangerously so.
– Cadence
7 hours ago
@Cadence I know still though data was adaptable but not so much. he could not escape that part of his coding....control managed to override every bit of its codingso far (especially the protect us part)
– Thomas
7 hours ago
@Cadence I know still though data was adaptable but not so much. he could not escape that part of his coding....control managed to override every bit of its codingso far (especially the protect us part)
– Thomas
7 hours ago
2
2
no more than the entire series is an entire contradiction to most ST canon :
– NKCampbell
7 hours ago
no more than the entire series is an entire contradiction to most ST canon :
– NKCampbell
7 hours ago
1
1
It seems Discovery is overwriting most of the canon in many aspects... Spore drive!? AI?! Spock has a sister!? Khaaan
– Rebel-Scum
5 hours ago
It seems Discovery is overwriting most of the canon in many aspects... Spore drive!? AI?! Spock has a sister!? Khaaan
– Rebel-Scum
5 hours ago
Spock has never previously been stated not to have a sister, and given his habitual use of precise words, he'd be the first to point out she's not actually his sister, as she had different biological parents. What Discovery has mostly done is "overwrite" what people thought was canon, but was never actually established on screen.
– Keith Morrison
1 hour ago
Spock has never previously been stated not to have a sister, and given his habitual use of precise words, he'd be the first to point out she's not actually his sister, as she had different biological parents. What Discovery has mostly done is "overwrite" what people thought was canon, but was never actually established on screen.
– Keith Morrison
1 hour ago
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Not quite an answer, but the reason Data was stiff and not human was because he was designed that way. His earlier-built "brother" Lore was much more realistic - dangerously so.
– Cadence
7 hours ago
@Cadence I know still though data was adaptable but not so much. he could not escape that part of his coding....control managed to override every bit of its codingso far (especially the protect us part)
– Thomas
7 hours ago
2
no more than the entire series is an entire contradiction to most ST canon :
– NKCampbell
7 hours ago
1
It seems Discovery is overwriting most of the canon in many aspects... Spore drive!? AI?! Spock has a sister!? Khaaan
– Rebel-Scum
5 hours ago
Spock has never previously been stated not to have a sister, and given his habitual use of precise words, he'd be the first to point out she's not actually his sister, as she had different biological parents. What Discovery has mostly done is "overwrite" what people thought was canon, but was never actually established on screen.
– Keith Morrison
1 hour ago