Did Sudras have Varnashrama Dharma as opposed to Varna Dharma only?












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I guess they only had to follow Grihastha ashrama when they attained the appropriate age, learning and renunciation being denied to them.










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  • learning is not denied to them. they were taught trades/skills - what's maybe known as handyman or labor work today. they were not oppressed into slavery like most 'modern' thinkers love to believe. only veda mantras were denied, that too because the austerity required to wield the power of the mantras would not suit their day to day work/life/interests.

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I guess they only had to follow Grihastha ashrama when they attained the appropriate age, learning and renunciation being denied to them.










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  • learning is not denied to them. they were taught trades/skills - what's maybe known as handyman or labor work today. they were not oppressed into slavery like most 'modern' thinkers love to believe. only veda mantras were denied, that too because the austerity required to wield the power of the mantras would not suit their day to day work/life/interests.

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I guess they only had to follow Grihastha ashrama when they attained the appropriate age, learning and renunciation being denied to them.










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  • learning is not denied to them. they were taught trades/skills - what's maybe known as handyman or labor work today. they were not oppressed into slavery like most 'modern' thinkers love to believe. only veda mantras were denied, that too because the austerity required to wield the power of the mantras would not suit their day to day work/life/interests.

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  • learning is not denied to them. they were taught trades/skills - what's maybe known as handyman or labor work today. they were not oppressed into slavery like most 'modern' thinkers love to believe. only veda mantras were denied, that too because the austerity required to wield the power of the mantras would not suit their day to day work/life/interests.

    – ram
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learning is not denied to them. they were taught trades/skills - what's maybe known as handyman or labor work today. they were not oppressed into slavery like most 'modern' thinkers love to believe. only veda mantras were denied, that too because the austerity required to wield the power of the mantras would not suit their day to day work/life/interests.

– ram
13 mins ago





learning is not denied to them. they were taught trades/skills - what's maybe known as handyman or labor work today. they were not oppressed into slavery like most 'modern' thinkers love to believe. only veda mantras were denied, that too because the austerity required to wield the power of the mantras would not suit their day to day work/life/interests.

– ram
13 mins ago










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Did Sudras have Varnashrama Dharma as opposed to Varna Dharma only?




Yes, Shudras are considered lifelong Grihasthas.



Shudras only belong in one Ashrama as per Gautama Smriti:





  1. Live with his wife (only)


'Another commentator explains the Sûtra to mean that he shall live with his wife only, and never enter another order (i.e. never become a student, hermit, or ascetic).'--Haradatta.




Some more verses:




Yogi-Yājñavalkya (Parāśaramādhava, p. 537).—‘There are four stages
prescribed by the Veda for the Brāhmaṇa, three for the Kṣatriya, two
for the Vaiśya and one for the Śūdra.’



Vāmanapurāṇa (Do.).—‘Four stages have been spoken of for the Brāhmaṇa;
three only, i.e., those of the Householder, the Student, the Hermit,
for the Kṣatriva; only two—Householdership and Hermitship—for the
Vaiśya; only one, that of Householdership, is proper for the Śūdra.’



Smṛtyantara (Aparārka, p. 966; Parāśaramādhava, p. 538).—‘Having paid
off the three debts, being freed from all notions of I and mine, the
Brāhmaṇa, the Kṣatriya and the Vaiśya, [and not the Shudra] may go forth from the house.’







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    Did Sudras have Varnashrama Dharma as opposed to Varna Dharma only?




    Yes, Shudras are considered lifelong Grihasthas.



    Shudras only belong in one Ashrama as per Gautama Smriti:





    1. Live with his wife (only)


    'Another commentator explains the Sûtra to mean that he shall live with his wife only, and never enter another order (i.e. never become a student, hermit, or ascetic).'--Haradatta.




    Some more verses:




    Yogi-Yājñavalkya (Parāśaramādhava, p. 537).—‘There are four stages
    prescribed by the Veda for the Brāhmaṇa, three for the Kṣatriya, two
    for the Vaiśya and one for the Śūdra.’



    Vāmanapurāṇa (Do.).—‘Four stages have been spoken of for the Brāhmaṇa;
    three only, i.e., those of the Householder, the Student, the Hermit,
    for the Kṣatriva; only two—Householdership and Hermitship—for the
    Vaiśya; only one, that of Householdership, is proper for the Śūdra.’



    Smṛtyantara (Aparārka, p. 966; Parāśaramādhava, p. 538).—‘Having paid
    off the three debts, being freed from all notions of I and mine, the
    Brāhmaṇa, the Kṣatriya and the Vaiśya, [and not the Shudra] may go forth from the house.’







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      Did Sudras have Varnashrama Dharma as opposed to Varna Dharma only?




      Yes, Shudras are considered lifelong Grihasthas.



      Shudras only belong in one Ashrama as per Gautama Smriti:





      1. Live with his wife (only)


      'Another commentator explains the Sûtra to mean that he shall live with his wife only, and never enter another order (i.e. never become a student, hermit, or ascetic).'--Haradatta.




      Some more verses:




      Yogi-Yājñavalkya (Parāśaramādhava, p. 537).—‘There are four stages
      prescribed by the Veda for the Brāhmaṇa, three for the Kṣatriya, two
      for the Vaiśya and one for the Śūdra.’



      Vāmanapurāṇa (Do.).—‘Four stages have been spoken of for the Brāhmaṇa;
      three only, i.e., those of the Householder, the Student, the Hermit,
      for the Kṣatriva; only two—Householdership and Hermitship—for the
      Vaiśya; only one, that of Householdership, is proper for the Śūdra.’



      Smṛtyantara (Aparārka, p. 966; Parāśaramādhava, p. 538).—‘Having paid
      off the three debts, being freed from all notions of I and mine, the
      Brāhmaṇa, the Kṣatriya and the Vaiśya, [and not the Shudra] may go forth from the house.’







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        Did Sudras have Varnashrama Dharma as opposed to Varna Dharma only?




        Yes, Shudras are considered lifelong Grihasthas.



        Shudras only belong in one Ashrama as per Gautama Smriti:





        1. Live with his wife (only)


        'Another commentator explains the Sûtra to mean that he shall live with his wife only, and never enter another order (i.e. never become a student, hermit, or ascetic).'--Haradatta.




        Some more verses:




        Yogi-Yājñavalkya (Parāśaramādhava, p. 537).—‘There are four stages
        prescribed by the Veda for the Brāhmaṇa, three for the Kṣatriya, two
        for the Vaiśya and one for the Śūdra.’



        Vāmanapurāṇa (Do.).—‘Four stages have been spoken of for the Brāhmaṇa;
        three only, i.e., those of the Householder, the Student, the Hermit,
        for the Kṣatriva; only two—Householdership and Hermitship—for the
        Vaiśya; only one, that of Householdership, is proper for the Śūdra.’



        Smṛtyantara (Aparārka, p. 966; Parāśaramādhava, p. 538).—‘Having paid
        off the three debts, being freed from all notions of I and mine, the
        Brāhmaṇa, the Kṣatriya and the Vaiśya, [and not the Shudra] may go forth from the house.’







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        Did Sudras have Varnashrama Dharma as opposed to Varna Dharma only?




        Yes, Shudras are considered lifelong Grihasthas.



        Shudras only belong in one Ashrama as per Gautama Smriti:





        1. Live with his wife (only)


        'Another commentator explains the Sûtra to mean that he shall live with his wife only, and never enter another order (i.e. never become a student, hermit, or ascetic).'--Haradatta.




        Some more verses:




        Yogi-Yājñavalkya (Parāśaramādhava, p. 537).—‘There are four stages
        prescribed by the Veda for the Brāhmaṇa, three for the Kṣatriya, two
        for the Vaiśya and one for the Śūdra.’



        Vāmanapurāṇa (Do.).—‘Four stages have been spoken of for the Brāhmaṇa;
        three only, i.e., those of the Householder, the Student, the Hermit,
        for the Kṣatriva; only two—Householdership and Hermitship—for the
        Vaiśya; only one, that of Householdership, is proper for the Śūdra.’



        Smṛtyantara (Aparārka, p. 966; Parāśaramādhava, p. 538).—‘Having paid
        off the three debts, being freed from all notions of I and mine, the
        Brāhmaṇa, the Kṣatriya and the Vaiśya, [and not the Shudra] may go forth from the house.’








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